CHANNELING. Part 3.

Interview with Birgit Elisabeth Friis Emdal  (B) about channeling. From the program “Danish Spirituality” on the local radio “Gladsaxe”, sent on 13.5 2003 (Copenhagen, 100,9 MHz, cable radio channel 95,2). Interviewer: Thomas Halskov (T)


T:
Before this, we talked about the different Masters that you are channeling.  The Ascended Masters especially, among which are: Jesus-Sananda, Maria and Kuthumi, also known as St. John, one of Jesus’ disciples.
There are about 15 in all, right? Is there any difference between the messages the different Masters give you?

B:
First of all, they all come with messages of love to humankind. So they share many similarities. But they also have each their areas – or departments if you like – like we here on earth have different jobs, different areas in which we are specially trained. And since they have all been wandering on Earth in so many lives uncountable, they have of course special abilities, some things they are especially good at, and have chosen to develop further. And I just might mention, that the one I know best, The Master Khutumi, is also the one we call World Teacher, i.e. the teachers’ teacher, supervisor, he is in there when people build up new schools, spiritual schools on Earth, and will come to the teachers, those people who need inspiration for this.
So I guess it’s his specialty, teaching, just to name one of the Masters, one I know a little better.

T:
Could you say that these masters have different roles to play? I assume there is a certain consensus, they can’t disagree a lot, but I assume they have different roles as to the messages, which are to be channeled, am I maybe right?

B:
Surely so. They act on the basis of their specialty and so within their area of interest. There is another master, known as the “Man from Tibet” or Djawahl Kuhl, he is very trained in astrological matters and what concerns the 7 rays. This is where he goes in and inspires people on Earth with these things. So it is very much based on what were their interests, when they were here on Earth and what development they are into now. For after all, they are just on the road, like the rest of us. They are not finished just because they’ve become what we call the “Ascended Masters”. They are still “on the way” like the rest of us. It’s just on another level.


T:
Could you go so far as to say, that these masters have different images? Like we have on Earth? Is there a sort of masterplan, where you say: ”Okay, we have this message that has to get through”, and if it for instance is a little controversial kind of message, you say: “Right, then we shall let him say that, and we won’t let Maria say it maybe, so we shall let ...”. Yes who would be there to say it, if it were a controversial message, which would be the most appropriate?

B:
Yes, it might well be Lord Sananda, the one, we know as Jesus because he is a rebel as he was when he walked on Earth 2000 years ago. Maybe someone will be in opposition to that when I say it, but as we have mentioned earlier, he was. Of course he can make a controversial statement. In many of my channelings – as well as others I have known or know – many of the masters have also made humoristic statements and statements quite down to earth, where some people maybe shook their head and said: “No, a Master cannot say that”. But why should they not? They have no such limitations, it is people on Earth who are setting up limits, and the Masters can at any time change their image or department, if you like, if it is needed in regard to the divine plan. And lots of books have been published on this subject, where the authors have tried to schematize who stands for what. And then after that book has been published and sold, many times it changed, the parts they play, and it has brought a lot of confusion among students of the esoteric, for they thought that now that is that, and then somebody had changed jobs in the meantime, because sometimes you know things happen a little fast, and so it does here on Earth. So here I would like to say to the listeners, that if you really want to follow up on these matters, then the internet is probably a better place to look, for on the net there is the possibility on a day to day basis to upload the newest channelings. Contrary to a book, which may take a year to be published.

T:
I want to ask you a question on a subject, we have touched before, and which has to do with different attitudes to channeling. For not everybody is equally enthusiastic about channeling. In some spirituality groups there is a certain animosity against channeling, and we have among other things in an earlier program, discussed a statement, where someone who right enough believe in channeling, has said, that you should not channel too often, because the Masters don’t have time. And that I think is in itself a very problematic statement – in two ways. First I would like to ask you in a purely moral or ethical sense, what you think about such a statement? What influence do you think it has on people, hearing things like that?

B:
First of all I think it’s a ridiculous statement, for the Masters and God himself have lots of time, so I think people saying that  - and there are a few in any case – are making limitations. And that is tantamount to limiting God, to put it shortly. But for God there is no limits, these are manmade thoughts and they have no hold in reality.

T:
No, and what I was thinking also, what can be the reason for such a statement? For if someone takes things like that seriously, it might mean that people who feels like channeling or has the gift to do so – and we all do deep down – the may abstain from doing it. I really think it’s rather bad to impose on other people, that they personally should not try to get into contact with the Devine...?


B:
Yes, for they don’t have time for it anyhow, and I also heard that you had better ask an angel, for then they can deliver the message to the Masters or to God, but there really is no reason to take the long way around. We can go directly to our Father himself, if that’s what we want – in our thoughts. And all people can do that. Everything else is a big illusion and limitations of people’s own minds.
But there is a lot of it I’m afraid, both on the internet and in books, and it has been miscomprehended a lot, so I’m glad you ask me about it, for I think it’s rather important.

T:
There’s another thing I was thinking about in reference to this statement, and that’s what you might call the metaphysics. For when you’re saying this “the Masters don’t have time”, then there must be some things you have misunderstood about time and space – and the mentioned Masters. For the statement as far as I can see is based on the conception that the Masters only can be in one place at a time?

B:
No, that’s also nonsense. The Masters can be in many places at the same time, and so can the two of us, and all of those listening. Only not many people know that. It’s once again a question of consciousness, because everything is energy, we are energy, and even as the two of us are sitting here in the studio, and the listeners are at home, sitting on the couch or wherever they might be seated, we really could be present in other locations, on some other levels in the spiritual world, other frequencies. And some are aware of it, maybe we are a bit more aware of it than others, and some people have no notion of it at all. But even those who don’t know about it at all are sometimes in another place. I can give you an example: When we are sleeping, when the body is resting during the night, then we all move into the astral world as it we call it. And that’s where you can also experience nightmares for instance, on the lower levels, and you may also experience wonderful and nice things, and everybody does that, whether they believe or not.

T:
Is there any limitation to how many places these Masters can be at the same time?

B:
No.

T:
You told me earlier, that the higher lever you’re on, the more places, you can be at the same time...?

B:
Yes, and then I shall have to define what I mean by a higher level. Having developed your consciousness, and thus knowing that you can be in several places at once, then it will also be possible. But if you don’t know anything about this or believe in it, then you won’t be conscious of being there in any case. But an ascended Master will have come to that point in his evolution, where he/she know that they can do it and thus be in many places at the same time. Many have the Master Kuthumi as a spiritual guide, and are aware of it. And even if he comes through in a channeling by me or somebody else here on earth, then he might easily be in another place, teaching in the Hall of Wisdom, at the same time.


T:
And in any case there are no limits to how many places God can be at the same time, I assume...?

B:
No, He is simply omnipresent.

T:
We are all in contact with Him, right?

B:
Yes, and He always has time, and it doesn’t matter when.

T:
I have a question that bears on the significance of the medium in channeling, something that interests me a lot. It has to do with a recording of a channeling, that I heard, where the archangel Michael was channeled. And I’d like to say about this channeling, that I really thought it was amazing and over all I was extremely satisfied with the things that were said. But there was a certain thing said there, I couldn’t quite comply with, or thought was a bit strange. And that was where the archangel Michael told a joke about sex, which I thought was a bit vulgar to say it outright. It had something to do with women wanting to have bigger breasts, and as for men, we all knew what they wanted to be bigger ...?
And I thought, when I heard that. Can this be real? For in one way I didn’t think there was something wrong in Michael talking about sex, but it wasn’t quite the way, I had imagined it would happen. And that made me wonder a lot: What is the reason for that remark? Is this coming from Michael? Or has it something to do with the medium? Or might it have something to do with the audience present that day?
What is your opinion on that?

B:
I must say yes to all three things, for it’s a synthesis of:
First of all, the channel it goes through or the medium as you call it, because that medium, that human being, cannot receive any messages in a completely pure form. We haven’t quite got to that yet. So it will always be tainted by the channel at hand, or medium, by his or her form of humour and knowledge broadly speaking.
The archangel Michael might very well talk about sex, for they have a great sense of humour in the spiritual world, and they might well express something quite down to earth, also something bordering on vulgarity. But having said that, it will also always be adapted to those listening. It might as well have something to do with the audience maybe they needed a bit of a laugh about it. Maybe they were a bit inhibited in this area. For the Masters can tell alright. If there is a need for laughter or loosening up on this or that point, something may well transpire, which will make you curl your toes and think: “No this can’t be the archangel Michael” or whoever it may be. So it’s clear in my mind that it has to do with all three things. The medium as well as the audience and the one it’s coming from. And how much is coming from one party or the other is then quite dependant on who is there as a channel.

T:
So there are really three things you have to consider if you are attending a channeling or reading it.
There is another thing, which came to my mind in connection with this question, that you studied communications in college. And if you look at it a bit theoretically, then there are really three sides to this thing channeling: There is the Master, sending the message, there is the medium who passes it on, and there is the receivers or audience. Am I right in saying, that all three parties have an influence on the messages coming through?

B:
Yes, I’m sure.
Working as a channel, you are an intermediary, you are a mediator, and that sometimes made me laugh too, that I have a basic education in communication, for that is in a manner of speaking what I do most, communicating, but from the spiritual world and to Earth as a “go between – woman”, you might call it. And that also means, that if I or another channel appear on two different days before two different groups of people and connect to the same identity, e.g. the archangel Michael, then there might well be widely different tidings, for it depends on what they need to hear, the listeners. There may well be common things, but it may also be widely different, because we are – luckily so – different.

T:
This was a recording I heard with Michael, but as I’ve told you earlier, I also had a feeling that there was a message for me when I went to a lecture, where the archangel Michael was channeled, and where he said something, I found rather funny. He said: ”I have no wings, as some of you maybe believe, but I can put some on, if you like”!
And he said: “I can take on any form at all, and all the Masters can do that”. And that was something I really needed to hear. So there were quite a lot of positive tidings from the same channel, I’d like to say, to be fair.

B:
I like to hear you say, that all the masters can show themselves as we want them to, or as we expect. So that means that there is also some responsibility there for us. What is it we are imagining? Nothing can happen, and we can’t see something, that we can’t imagine at all. So if you can’t imagine you are able to channel, if you have no imagination in that area, then you can’t. It’s not possible. But I do believe, that everybody has imagination, more or less, since we are all born with that ability, and it can also be developed.

T:
Then there is something, we also have talked about earlier, and that is Kuthumi’s 4 ground rules for channeling. There is one of them that we discussed quite a lot and there is the one called: “You can’t receive something, that is strange to your consciousness”, and that of course is related to many of the things we have already mentioned. I don’t know if there is something you would like to expand upon or maybe give more examples?

B:
Yes, there may be some, who has heard that some channel or other – or medium – suddenly is able to speak Chinese for instance, though they don’t normally speak Chinese. And how is that possible?
And that is because they earlier have had a Chinese incarnation. For simply speaking, we can’t receive something that we don’t have in our consciousness from this life or from earlier lives. But that also means that sometimes something emerges, which makes us wonder. I have for instance received some words in Sanskrit, which I had no idea what meant. I was not aware I was speaking it. And then, when I heard it again and looked it up, I found out what it meant. And that has to be because I have some knowledge from an earlier life, since I can’t speak Sanskrit today.

T:
The next ground rule is called: “You must maintain your free will”. Can you give some examples   why it’s important to maintain one’s free will in connection with channeling?

B:
It’s a God-given gift, free will, and it’s important to make some limitations, also here on Earth, to say yes and no at the right time, and this you have to be able to do also when working with the spiritual world, for even if you are in the spiritual world, you are not necessarily all good. So there you also have to make some limitations, if some Master comes along, knocking on the door, and saying: “Get up now” if you are sleeping, or: “Go down now and start writing your book”. But if you most of all need to sleep, then you should also be able to set your own limits. I have tried it myself, where Kuthumi himself wanted me to do just that, get up and start to write. But then I told him, that it was no good for I needed my sleep, I had to get up early, and if it was that important, he would have to tell me the day after. And he didn’t do it to tease me or be nasty to me, but maybe to see if I was keeping my self intact, and looking after myself. And we all get such little tests, but it is done with love.

T:
So it was really in order to test you?

B:
You might say that.
It also may be of course, that he had a little hope I’d do it, I don’t know.

T:
But there may be situations, where there’s a real need to say no, where they are off the mark?

B:
Sure, that could be the case I can’t deny that. But I’ve seen many terrible instances, where people don’t know where to draw the line. I once knew a man who sat all the time in his kitchen, channeling. He did little else. And when I asked him: “This can’t be right, don’t you have to rest?”, he said, he could not, for that was up to them. “Who are they?” I asked, and so it happened to be someone from the spiritual world. And I was a bit of a tenderfoot back then, but I did feel, that this must be all wrong, for he was totally forgetting to live a normal life on Earth. And we must do that. Given our physical body we must also deal with daily life.

T:
The next ground rule is called: “You must keep your humility”, and that’s something I can give my full approval. Do you have any examples why it’s important to keep your humility, or somebody who had difficulties in keeping their humility?

B:
Yes, it’s immensely important, that you remember who you are working for, when you are in a channeling situation. Channeling is love, you know, it’s the contact to the Divine. And sometimes, alas, you see people, who are starting to be opened up to such abilities; they begin to think that now they know it all. And of course you also get a certain power over other people, when you know things like that. And therefore it’s incredibly important, that you keep your humility and remember, who you are working for, that one is only an intermediary, a channel for helping other people in light and love, and that you are not there to promote yourself, get into the media and acting out there and things like that. And some people fall for it, I’m sorry to say. But if that happens, it also happens that the channel is turned off, that is you loose your ability to channel until you have learned to use it in an ethical correct manner. I have known many such cases, and where people have admitted themselves, that they knew they were on the wrong track.

T:
I have a funny example of that myself, for I read a book – it was through Birgit Klein – that a message had been received from Kuthumi, where he speaks of auras. He says it’s characteristic for a loving human being, that he contracts his aura in order to make room for others, and he says that many false prophets have giant auras in order to impress other people and that many are letting themselves be impressed.
And it was quite funny, for when I back then was at the kindergarten training college I had a guest teacher, who very proudly told us, that her aura filled the whole room!!  (Laughter)

B:
Yes, so there was no room left for anybody else!!

T:
So my thoughts went to her, when I read that.

The last ground rule is called: “You must sort out messages and energies”. Why is that important?

B:
It’s important, since none of us are perfect. So if you get some message while channeling, where you kind of hear, that this is not going to do anybody any kind of good, then it is wise to leave it out, and ask one more time: “What am I supposed to use this for, what is good in it?” And if you can’t see any good in it, you shouldn’t let it on. But it is a question of purity and consciousness again.

T:
There is one thing I have given a lot of thought in connection with sorting. Earlier we talked about the difference between clairvoyance and channeling, and it seems to me that clairvoyants are less inclined to sort messages than those who channel?
Is that something you can relate to?

B:
It’s an allegation, I can’t really say, for there may well be an exceptionally clever clairvoyant with this being her specialty, and who does it flawlessly. So I’d rather not give an opinion on that.


T:
I know there is a lot of able clairvoyants, but I have personally heard of some rather ugly examples. By the way just the other day one of your students was talking about a clairvoyant, who had told a woman when she would die! I thought that was pretty bad.

B:
Yes, maybe there is a certain tendency there, for there is a difference in energy between channeling and giving clairvoyance, so maybe there is a bigger risk of distortion when you are doing clairvoyance.

T:
What about these prophesies about catastrophes of nature – I heard for instance a prophesy, I heard it second hand – but it was supposed to be from a clairvoyant who had been talking about a terrible catastrophe that was going to happen, and that gave me a very negative feeling.
Do you also think, something like that could happen by channeling?

B:
No, I really don’t think so for a Master would never ever bring messages that scare people. So every time such messages occur, it’s unclean and strongly distorted. They would never spread fear among human beings, never ever.